Showing posts with label chilean. Show all posts
Showing posts with label chilean. Show all posts

Sunday, October 17, 2010

Chile's Miners Ask Media to Leave Them Alone

Here's an article from Bloomberg.com about the mine workers asking for some breathing room from the media after their big rescue. Understandable, of course. From our skeptical position though, these excerpts are worth noting:
The miners plan to write a book about their experience and have agreed to keep details of their ordeal among themselves for now, Illanes said. “I am party to the idea of maintaining this as a state secret,” he said.
Or... it could be that it would be disastrous for all 33 miners to start talking to the media and NOT BE ABLE TO KEEP THE SAME STORY STRAIGHT. State secret, eh?

So far, the rescued miners haven’t told the full story of the first 17 days before they were discovered alive. The men made a pact about what they will make public and what will remain private, said Illanes.


Ah yes... this "pact" we keep hearing about.

Saturday, October 16, 2010

Chile Miners Rescue Skepticism Update

On October 13th we expressed skepticism in the official story of the 33 Chilean miners that were rescued after being trapped underground for 69 days. Since then we've gone back and fourth, from thinking it's a hoax to giving the story the benefit of the doubt and figuring it probably did happen as they say. There's just a couple things I want to mention now that it's been a few days:

  • Conspiracy theories are starting to pop up all over the place drawing connections from the miner rescue to Masonic imagery. The # of miners (33), the date of the rescue (10 + 13 + 10= 33), the number of days it took to drill the hole (33) and the "inverted pentagram" on the miners' shirts are just some of the supposed symbols that are proof that this was all a big stunt by the Freemasons to communicate some sort of Masonic message, whatever the hell that would be. We DO NOT buy into this line of thought at all, and we think it's a bit of a distraction.
  • We've read another theory that this was all staged by media companies like Timer Warner to bring in ratings. Again, we also dismiss this theory. We wouldn't be surprised if this rescue operation turned out to all be staged but we strongly doubt it was orchestrated simply to bring in ratings. It is much more likely that the motivation was Chilean politics.
  • When reviewing all the footage that we could get our hands on, everything from the earlier days of the miners being trapped underground, the day of the rescue and interviews afterward, we can't help but feel that some of what we're seeing actually IS genuine. Some of the footage looks damn real and the raw emotion from some of the miners and their family does seem genuine. But other scenes seem more like a low budget film and come off fake as hell. It seems a bit half and half, which makes us think maybe some people were in on the hoax (if it was in fact a hoax) and others were not. Perhaps this was orchestrated at a very high level, but many of the people at the bottom were simply pawns. Also, perhaps some of the miners trapped were in on it while most of them weren't. The ones in on it kept an eye on things and made sure everything was going alright and the men weren't starving to death.
I'm just throwing out some of our thoughts, we're going to continue going through everything we can for more information. If you have any information or thoughts feel free to comment or send us an e-mail at peoplelikingpeople@yahoo.com.

Wednesday, October 13, 2010

Chilean Miners Rescue: Was it a Hoax?

The 33 Chilean Miners who were reportedly trapped underground for more than two months were rescued yesterday to cheers and a big sigh of relief for family members and everyone around the world that had been following this story. But as we here at People Liking People were watching the rescue on television, something seemed just a little too perfect about the ordeal, almost as it were made for TV.

Here is the footage of the first and second miners rescued:






We haven't really had time yet to go through all the information, the articles, the footage...etc to really make a firm case for it being a hoax. We're still up in the air on it, but something really seems off with this. First of all, you'd expect the miners to be dirty, unkempt, and extremely lethargic after being down there for 2 months with barely anything to eat. They are all clean shaven and not much of a mark on them at all. Now, we've heard from people who said "well obviously they all wanted to look good for their big day, so they sent razors down there". That could be true but...it just doesn't seem important enough to do that. 2 months without shaving honestly doesn't look that bad, so they'll look a little scruffy - big whoop.

Secondly: as you watch the video, you'll notice they keep panning back and forth from the hole in the ground to the family members as they wait in suspense for their loved one to come up. There is something about the way the boy of the first miner is behaving that just comes off as overdone acting. He seemed to be playing up just a bit too much what they know everyone wants to see - the poor family that hadn't seen their dad/husband in months, this big emotional moment where it goes from suspense to complete excitement and euphoria.

I could be wrong but you would think that immediately after a rescue like this, they would all be put on a stretcher and the first priority would be for medical personnel to take over and get them to the hospital. Eventually they did this of course, but there seemed to be quite a delay from getting out of the hole to that point, making sure that great TV moment was captured and sustained for everyone's viewing pleasure. And the miners seemed to have just too much energy for people that have been kept down there for so long without adequate food and oxygen. By the way, at least one guy is wearing sunglasses, what's up with that?

Another thing that seemed odd was the noise level - it seemed way too low. Usually with a big rescue operation like this, you have everyone trying to help and you got family members excited to see their rescued loved ones, and there's a ton of commotion. In these videos, sure there's shouting with glee, talking...etc but it seems almost like they're taking turns. A little holler from over there, a comment over here...etc but there seems to be lacking that "crowd noise" that you'd expect. And that sort of makes sense if this was staged, the people standing around wouldn't be standing around BSing as much, they'd just be playing their role and wouldn't say much unless it was in the script.

As much as we hate getting into conspiracy theories here, something just smells about this ordeal and we'll be looking through as much information as we can over the next few weeks to see if we can uncover anything. If you have any information or tips, feel free to e-mail us at peoplelikingpeople@yahoo.com